Prices on anime

topic posted Fri, January 16, 2004 - 11:44 PM by  Gabriel
I saw a t-shirt at Dragon*Con a few years ago that said "ANIME: As Addictive As Drugs And Just As Expensive"

And of course it's true. The (legitimate) box set for Cowboy Bebop is, what? $200? Evangelion? $150? etc. And sure, you say, it's a lot of money, but you're also getting 13 hours of film, right? (30 min eps * 26 eps).

Perhaps, but then why can Fox (?) sell two seasons of The Family Guy for $30 and make mint on it? (Enough to bring the show back from the grave, I might add.)

I hate that most of the anime I buy isn't legitimate, but I really can't justify paying literally ten times as much for the licensed product. Every time I see those pricetags I think "Windfall Profit."

So I guess my question is--since bitching about prices is nothing new in an anime forum: "How much of your anime collection is (A) downloaded-only (B) bootleg DVDs (e.g. the $30 trigun box sets on eBay) (C) legitimate region 1 DVDs (D) [other? specify :) ]
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Gabriel
  • Re: Prices on anime

    Sat, January 17, 2004 - 2:14 AM

    I don't want to support terrorist organizations such as RIAA and MPAA. So I try to limit my CD and DVD purchases.

    I can say that %95+ of my anime collection is downloaded A).

    P.S: On the other hand I won't buy a imitation anime toy or t-shirt :).

    cheers,

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      Thu, January 22, 2004 - 1:59 PM
      Hey just thought I would pop in on this discussion I have to say that I don't download a lot of anime because of my 56K connection, I also don't buy much bootleg stuff either because I've had bad experience getting stuff from Pirates who obviously had no respect for the quality of the anime they were distributing, (I think they just mashed keys on their computer until if spit out a disk that had something that resembled a video file on it) plus I think that selling pirated stuff is wrong because your profiting on something that isn't yours. However I do make copies to back up my collection because if you do spend full price on an anime collection then terrorist organizations such as RIAA and MPAA have no right to tell you that you can't back it up so that when the monster kid your baby-sitting decides to throw an $87 dvd in the toaster for his own amusement or the disk simply gets scratched up you at least have a back up copy or if you were smart the $87 DVD is in a fire proof locked safe and it's the back up copy that gets wrecked from every day scratches or unfortunate accidents. I also don't think that it is totally immoral to have a legitimate back up copy of say a friends collection of anime say in case of the unfortunate event that his/her house burnt down and then you would still be able to give them there anime collection back (okay so that's stretching the back up rule a bit but hey) I have seen legitimate Outlaw star DVD's sell as high as $87 a piece!!!! Yah not the whole series just one ligit DVD $87 plus stupid crummy Canadian tax of 14% a 4 episode Rune Soldier DVD is selling at one of my comic book shops for $67 sorry I'm just not paying that unless I know the series is good and I will be macking a back up copy if and when I do buy If that makes me a Pirate the Yo ho you ho a pirates life for me. Also fan subbed non licensed material or at least material that wasn't licensed when I purchased it makes up a large part of my collection. I see nothing wrong with fan subs at all because it gives you the opportunity to see stuff that isn't available in NA and seeing as how I can't download the episodes I need the fansub distros that give out hard copy's through the mail. So I do try to buy licensed stuff legitimately but I'm not about to shun piracy (which anyone who makes their own back up copies knows is practically an art form if you want good quality)
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    Sat, January 17, 2004 - 2:34 AM
    All of my anime collection - mostly movies, few series - is (A): even if i had the good intentions to buy some, they are not shipped/sold in my country...so i have some sort of an excuse ;)
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      Sat, January 17, 2004 - 7:33 PM
      well, it's not as mainstream as family guy, but when virtually every CD store in town has a full wall (or at least a couple full racks) of anime and another full case of boxed sets, I'd say they're obviously selling tens of thousands of copies, which is main stream enough to have reasonable prices. ;)

      A lot of the anime I have been watching lately is stuff that's new enough that I have to wait for the japanese fans to make fansubs of it, so there aren't even DVDs for me to buy, but even once they do the prices are.. prohibitive.

      I have no problem paying for quality. I have boxed sets of Evangelion, Escaflowne, etc. that are legit, but even they were bought second hand via ebay. Most of my boxed sets of series are high quality (and legit-looking) fakes (also off of ebay), such as Cowboy Bebop and Trigun. All my movies are legit, however. Err... Except for a copy of Spirited Away I bought when I found they weren't going to release it legit for another year+... ;)
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    Sat, January 17, 2004 - 7:35 AM
    Mass production? A bazillion more people will buy Family Guy than will buy Cowboy Bebop so they can afford to sell it for cheaper and still make big money. As anime becomes more mainstream, prices will drop.
    But, they're going to sell something at the highest price they can get away with. People wouldn't buy Family Guy if it were $150. But anime fans are shelling out that much for box sets of DVDs.
    • Re: Prices on anime

      Sat, January 17, 2004 - 7:35 PM
      whoops, i hit reply on the wrong person. lol. see my reply below Anima. ;) I got distracted wondering what country [s]he was in to not get licensed copies of anime.. (not that I figured it out...)
      • Re: Prices on anime

        Sun, January 18, 2004 - 2:07 AM
        Gabriel, I am in Sofia, Bulgaria and I can guarantee you that there is no one single store here that sells legitimate anime DVDs, old/new whatever. And even if there was such, I am sure I would not be able to afford them, although I would buy Spritied Away if I have the chance :)
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    Sat, January 17, 2004 - 9:34 AM
    All my anime is legitimate DVDs, but I don't buy everything I want. I rent from Netflixs, borrow from friends. But if I know I'm going to watch something 20 times I buy it.

    Have you checked out bestprices.com? They seem to have anime DVDs cheaper than anywhere else I know about.

    -Lara Amber
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      Sat, January 17, 2004 - 12:21 PM
      Same here, all of mine is legit, but I don't get everything I want all the time either. I borrow a lot from friends, and at the moment I am selling my anime VHS collections to get their DVD boxed set companions. (I couldn't afford a DVD player for a while).I guess when you think of it that way, it isn't so bad..
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        Re: Prices on anime

        Sat, January 17, 2004 - 8:24 PM
        i can't even afford to buy regular DVDs! much less anime!


        but of how awsome it would be to have a large, nice collection.
        that's coming from a very non-materialistic person too!

        :)
  • Re: Prices on anime

    Sun, January 18, 2004 - 11:28 PM
    Torrent is a good way to at least sample whats available. I've gotten into the habit of downloading to see if something is worth the price tag or not. For some things, it's actually easier to find a torrent file than to find a place selling the DVD.
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      Mon, January 19, 2004 - 7:12 AM
      I haven't used Torrent, but I do make use of the net--at least with series--to view anime before I buy it... though I have some anime that was bought on a whim. For example the box for "Kai Doh Maru" is really cool looking, but once you buy it and watch it you realize it's a total rip off.

      I was watching it with friends and one of the main character dies about 30 minutes into the movie and I turned to my pals and said "Man! He didn't last long!" ... and then not two seconds later the "movie" ended. The $25 "movie" is 30 minutes long. lol. *Still pissed about that one*
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    Mon, January 19, 2004 - 9:14 AM
    Yes DVDs are expensive but I have to say that in terms of what it cost before Its come down in price alot since VHS.For instance I got the Evangalion DVD collection for $115.But
    I started watching the series back when it was only on VHS.I must have spent close to $1000 dollars to get the whole VHS collection(yes Im that much of a Anime crackhead).Anime DVD= $24 VHS=$30-$40.
    It still annoys me how they only put 3-4 episodes on one DVD though.But its alot cheaper and takes up less space in my room.
    • Re: Prices on anime

      Mon, January 19, 2004 - 10:44 AM
      I love DVDs.

      1. They are much cheaper than buying on VHS was.
      2. They usually have both dubbed and subbed versions.
      3. They have plenty of extras never on the VHS (like voice actor interviews, clean openings, stills, etc.)
      4. They take up a lot less space.

      I had to re-buy Captain Tylor on DVD, which was much, much cheaper than what I originally paid for it on VHS. Though if someone would explain to me why Highlander (the series) and Red Dwarf DVDs are so much more expensive than most other series, that would be nice.

      -Lara Amber
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    Mon, January 19, 2004 - 11:05 AM
    I dont know what the big ideas is if your a die hard anime fan then you shouldn't care how muchmoney it costs
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      Mon, January 19, 2004 - 11:12 AM
      thats precisely why Im NOT a die hard anime fan. I cant afford to be one.
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        Mon, January 19, 2004 - 11:17 AM
        then why are you complaining about prices. And besides anime is not easy to make it can get very costly
        • Re: Prices on anime

          Mon, January 19, 2004 - 11:28 AM
          True. But there is a large percentage of anime that is imatative crap. If you dont have a chance to hit a convention, torrent files are a great way to choose not to support the anime that sucks.
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          Mon, January 19, 2004 - 2:38 PM
          Hmm. Maybe I'm complaining about price because I LIKE anime but can't AFFORD it, and wish it was cheaper. Animation is not easy to make, but it isn't more expensive to produce than other forms of animation. A complete season of the Simpsons or King of the Hill can be had for under $40 US. I understand that anime doesnt have the same market as the Simpsons, but I still feel the prices are higher than they need to be.

          • Re: Prices on anime

            Mon, January 19, 2004 - 3:26 PM
            I have to disagree with you on the "but it isn't more expensive to produce than other forms of animation". The animation company has to sign a contract to have their work imported (which means one more company taking a cut), pay voice actors and a sound production crew to dub the track, pay someone to translate for the sub, etc. Possibly also hire an artist to create a different coverart for the case that's more appealing for the local audience.

            While our DVDs frequently have a french and spanish track, they might not have French, German, Finnish, Japanese, Russian export versions. Unless you are a big company with a major blockbuster (like Disney with the Lion King).

            I think as anime becomes more popular, and the companies who produce it can expect to sell more copies in the US, the prices will go down. But right now they are dealing with spreading their costs over a much smaller number of units than something like The Family Guy, The Simpsons, or Disney features. Also, as more places carry anime, there will be more competition between retailers.

            -Lara Amber
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              Mon, January 19, 2004 - 3:31 PM
              Some anime imports i get from Chinatown are almost half the cost of when it gets produced in the US officially. Of course, the subs are usually engrished and there's almost never a dub. They also seem to layer the shit out of the dvd's and fit as much on them as possible.
            • Re: Prices on anime

              Mon, January 19, 2004 - 3:33 PM
              if you really like anime then you would not mind spending money to buy anime stuff and anime is not just "imatative crap" it takes a long time and a lot of money to make
              • Re: Prices on anime

                Mon, January 19, 2004 - 3:53 PM
                If you dont think that some anime really sucks, you havent watched enough. Much of what is out there is over marketed with the expectation that people will buy something "just because its anime." This is stupid. How many rip off versions of Macross, evangelion, ghost in the shell, akira's, etc., do we really need to see? So, I guess you could say that I like Anime, but dont waste my time on formulaic fodder. All anime takes time and money to make. The good ones are also creative and worthwhile.
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                  Re: Prices on anime

                  Mon, January 19, 2004 - 4:11 PM
                  i agree...a lot of anime i've seen does suck. and ''randy'' no offence-but we are not any ''less'' into anime-just because we can't afford it. i enjoy anime very much. if i had a money tree in my back yard, i would buy everything that i liked. this is the real world though...and some of us are not rich...and may never be. which frankly isn't that big of a deal to me. i'm a very unmaterialistic person. still, it is only human to want things.
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    Tue, January 20, 2004 - 1:37 PM
    Well, most of my anime is legit...I worked at a mall for a long time and got discounts :p so that wasnt too terrible. I would spend 60% of my pay every month on anime tho...that all stopped when I had to start paying rent ....lol

    but sometimes you can find the big series (like evangelion) on vcd sets from hong kong or thailand for 50$ or so, and they are legit....only vhs quality, and none of the dvd interactive options, but the english subtitles were very accurate to the original Japanese (at least the 2 sets I bought were.... evangelion and blue seed) and they didn't have the dvd's out when I got it so it was a valid option.
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      Tue, January 20, 2004 - 10:22 PM
      for the record those chinese vcd's aren't "legit". A lot of them look legit because real funding went into making the cases look nice and whatnot, but no money from them goes back to the creators of the anime. I have several of those sets (as mentioned before, the cowboy bebop and trigun boxed sets), so I'm certainly not saying "don't buy them", but also don't think they're legit. ;)
      • Re: Prices on anime

        Wed, January 21, 2004 - 11:41 AM
        Really? I was not aware of that.....and the vcd's I got were so nicely packaged too :P oh well, I'll just steer clear of them then, its not like their quality was all that anyway.
        • Re: Prices on anime

          Wed, January 21, 2004 - 12:25 PM
          naime is one of the best animation around and if you wanna see it then you are going to have to pay no matter what. And for all thoughs that say that just because i complain about the cost dosn't make me less of an anime fan then you I never said that. I guess what im trying to say that if you are addicted to it then you wouldn't complain.

          P.S I also agree that not all anime is cool
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            Wed, January 21, 2004 - 1:46 PM
            I used to smoke. I complained about the high prices of cigarettes. I was addicted, but decided that $8 was too much to pay for my addiction. If you are addicted to it, you will get it by any means necessary. Being a really big fan of anime, or even an addict does not mean that one cannot feel that the prices are too high. I guess maybe I'm addicted to having a roof over my head, too. Being addicted does not lower your I.Q..

            p.s. I can almost guarantee that one does not have to pay to see Naime. (though I will check out some reviews to see if its any good, thanks for the tip)

            p.p.s. I'm not flaming you, I just disagree with your stance.
            • Re: Prices on anime

              Wed, January 21, 2004 - 1:57 PM
              anime not nanime
              • Re: Prices on anime

                Wed, January 21, 2004 - 2:09 PM
                If you want to start in on correcting typos, let's start with your post.

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                You said:
                naime is one of the best animation around and if you wanna see it then you are going to have to pay no matter what.
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                This is where I got Naime from. (One SHOULD capitalize proper names, and the first word in a sentence, but since this is conversational in nature, I won't call you on it)
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                And for all thoughs that say that just because i complain about the cost dosn't make me less of an anime fan then you I never said that.
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                One shouldn't start a sentence with the word and. You capitalized it, however. :) You used thoughs when you should have used those. You failed to capitalize the second i. The word Doesn't has an 'e' in it. You should have used than instead of then. A comma might have helped a bit between you and I there at the end.
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                I guess what im trying to say that if you are addicted to it then you wouldn't complain.

                P.S I also agree that not all anime is cool
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                • Re: Prices on anime

                  Wed, January 21, 2004 - 3:52 PM
                  thank you finally someone agrees with me.If your an addict then you wouldn't care about paying alot of money
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                    Re: Prices on anime

                    Wed, January 21, 2004 - 4:12 PM
                    LOL! He was quoting you. That was the only sentence that made sense. I've never met an addict of anything that wanted to pay more for what the're buying. I know fewer that will go out of their way to buy the bad stuff.

                    I'm not exactly sure what point you're trying to make anymore, but I think everyone can agree that you're not very good at this. Try reading the posts, and respond to something in particular. Real words and at least an attempt at grammar might be helpful for any conversation. Stop repeating yourself. If you have nothing new to add, you are finished.