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Hello all.
I've been an Anime fan for about 17 years now and I have a request.
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Please help me find anything from PineSalad Productions that I don't currently have.
I do have the 4 Dirty Pair fandub episodes on VHS, but I understand that they created other fandubs as well. Robotech, and... rumors of a BGC parody, or...?
Also, are there any other Fan Dubs that have reached this level of quality? I have about 8 different ones from other groups, and some are good, but for me, Pinesalad is still the best.
Thanks in advance.
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I've been an Anime fan for about 17 years now and I have a request.
<begging mode officially: ON>
Please help me find anything from PineSalad Productions that I don't currently have.
I do have the 4 Dirty Pair fandub episodes on VHS, but I understand that they created other fandubs as well. Robotech, and... rumors of a BGC parody, or...?
Also, are there any other Fan Dubs that have reached this level of quality? I have about 8 different ones from other groups, and some are good, but for me, Pinesalad is still the best.
Thanks in advance.
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Tue, March 29, 2005 - 2:30 AMOne more thing....
I've also heard that someone made a special DVD of this.
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Tue, March 29, 2005 - 10:43 AMI haven't seen anything from them in eons...you can always check the obvious places like eBay and their affiliates.
I'm not to sure about the DVD version of them, but they could also be on the above mentioned places.
I did find a site that has soundbytes from the parodies...maybe you could email them and see if they have any info on it...
www.scentinels.com/links.html
Not sure if that helps at all, but I tried.
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Thu, March 31, 2005 - 9:46 PMThanks for trying Mercy!
No, I can't use ebay (etc) because it's a fandub, so it will never be commercially released. So it can't just be bought at a store, online or otherwise.
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Fri, April 1, 2005 - 9:14 AMWell, actually sometimes people do seel fandubs and fansubs on eBay...you'd be surprised. -
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Fri, April 1, 2005 - 9:25 AMIn fact I remember finding a guy who was just selling his little sister's drawings of anime characters on eBay just because they looked good. You can sell anything damn thing on there as long as you give enough of a description.
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Thu, November 8, 2007 - 8:21 AMThis post is old but this is the first time I've seen it.
I was a co-founder of Pinesalad Productions, along with Pam Buck. I voiced Roy Fokker, Capt. Gloval, Luigi Italiano and others in the Pinesalad series.
I am wondering if there are still any fans out there. I'm thinking about posting the dubs on YouTube and possibly having a screening at the Boston AnimeCon in March 2008. Would anyonw still be interested in this stuff?
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Tue, November 13, 2007 - 8:27 AMMost certainly there are still fans out here!
I and several of my friends have been trying to get our hands on your stuff for YEARS. I was in contact with someone about 2 years ago that had offered to send me the parodies on DVD when they got it done, but I never heard back from them again, even after repeated emails.
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Wed, November 14, 2007 - 10:43 AMWell here's what I'd like to do. I would like to remaster these with new video since nobody has a pristine copy anymore. Then I'd like to show them at the Anime con in Boston early next year for the first time in probably over a decade.
My problems are as follows:
I haven't been able to reach Pam. She's the one who wrote the scripts for the episodes and I really want to involve her if she's interested. Surprisingly, I haven't heard back from David, another one of our core founders. If I could get everyone together in Boston I'd love to have a panel if there is sufficient interest.
Second, I don't know the names of the Dirty Pair DVDs I would need find the episodes we re-dubbed. I have no idea what DP collection they're on.
Lastly, I need copies of the second and third Robotech episodes we re-dubbed. Al I have left is the first one, "How Drugs Won the War". The third Robotech one is my favorite so I really hope we can find that one someplace.
I just ordered the AnimEigo DVD box collection of Macross so we'll have some superb source material from which to make new versions, but I'll need the audio from all of the episodes we redubbed so if anyone's got an old ugly video version that they can loan me to pull the audio, that would really help. -
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Thu, November 15, 2007 - 1:41 PMWell, however you want to do them is up to you. Whatever you feel is best.
Just as long as you don't JUST show them at the con.
Some of us don't make it to cons often, or at all, and would still like to see them. Some form of online distribution would be great. Either via something like Veoh or bittorrent, or better yet both!
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Mon, January 7, 2008 - 8:20 PMWow. I just stumbled across this post at random looking for something else, but- what an amazing coincidence.
Last year, I had talked to Alan (from Pinesalad) and he gave me the go-ahead to remaster your parodies from DVD source. I just finished up Does Dishes yesterday, and I'm almost done with Revenge of BD. I hope to start Fistfull of Pasta soon, but there's been a delay in getting the Japanese DVD to use for source.
Our audio came from the cleanest copy we could track down, which we think was 3rd generation from your master. We then cleaned it up in Soundbooth to remove clicks, pops, and excessive tape hiss. We used the 1991 remastered version of the parodies for all the audio, except the balloon scene in Revenge- the dialogue was drowned out by the music in the remaster, so we used the 1988 version for that scene, used Soundbooth to pull out the David Bowie song and overlaid Beautiful Balloon at a more balanced level. We also pulled out that annoying high-pitched screech at the beginning of Revenge, but I left in the sharp snaps in Dishes (you know- the ones that sound like billiard balls clacking together) because I didn't know if they were purposeful or not.
And oh yeah, we did put the video glitch back in.
To answer your questions- The episodes you dubbed were TV 25 (What? The boy in the Mansion is a Terminator?) TV 26 (Seriously?! The God Cannon is a Beauty's Keyword to Escape) OVA 5 (And Then No One Played) and OVA 6 (What? A Suprise Seaside Wedding Panic) The TV episodes are not available in the US, and the DVD is out of print in Japan. It is available used several places. The OVAs have been released here, but ADV improperly deinterlaced them, making them all ghosty and ucky. The japanese DVD of the OVAs is also out of print.
And if it does make you feel better, I'm told your work gets played annually at FanimeCon.
Kurt, if you'd like me to send you a copy of the DVD when its done or have me pass along Alan's email address, just PM me (I assume Tribe has some capacity for PMs...) No other inquiries please! All I can say is that when the remasters are finished we will find some way to distro them. When I have release info, I'll post it here. -
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 4:13 AMJim - I started working on these again but like I said there's room for both.
Going to try and get all 7 to DVD done by March 20th.
I'm sure your going to have some things I don't and vice versa.
I have the Japanese DVD's for the DP's and Macross as well.
Are you going to take a stab at the Robotech's?
If anyone is interested, the titles are:
How Drugs Won The War - Robotech
So Glad You Could Stop By for a Sip of Sherry Slut - Robotech
You Lying Hussy, I Thought You Were a Man - Robotech
Dirty Pair Duz Dishes - Dirty Pair
Revenge of B.D. - Dirty Pair
Fistfull of Pasta - Dirty Pair
Viva La Dirty Pair - Dirty Pair (duh)
Note it's "Duz" as the title was taken from a porn movie (Debbie Duz Dishes - go figure).
What I really need help with is a video logo if anyone wants to volunteer.
-Alan
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 8:26 AMAlan! Good to hear from you- sent you a couple emails last summer & didn't hear back (I got your first reply).
7 by March 20th- that's ambitious!
Hey, which DVD version did you get- the standalone or the box set? We got the standalone and the disc for Dishes/Revenge has a TON of bad frmes- every time there's a camera angle change there's a dark bar at the last frame of the sequence and a white bar on the first frame of the new sequence. It's not a big deal when watching on a normal TV, but it gets annoying on anything high-def. There were about 700 bad frames in each episode, I spent about 30 hours fixing them. I only hope the DVD for Pasta/Viva is better.
I'd seen both "Does Dishes" and "Duz Dishes", but the intro to the '91 remaster lists the title as "Does Dishes." You want I should fix it in this version? ^_^
We actually remastered "How Drugs Won the War" about five years ago, but we didn't have the audio tech to do a lot of cleanup, so I'll probably redo it. Unless I like your version better- then I won't feel I have to do anything!
I should have disc one (Dishes/Revenge) ready in the next couple weeks. (Only minor cleanup & menu left to do) PM me with your address and I'll mail a copy out to you. -
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 10:02 AMHey Jim -
I got the stand alone DP DVD's from Japan when they were released and are VAP Video VPBV-11142 (TV Series) and VPBV-11145 (OVA Vol 3). There are a couple of bad interlaced frames in a couple of spots on the TV Series DVD, but other than that they were very clean encoding wise. I used an older method to rip them (Unencrypt then DVD2AVI 1.77.4 as I had problems with DGIndex). Both provided a report of where the problem frames were but didn't see the transition problems your seeing.
Are you sure those aren't film splices? I'll take a further look at it tonight.
Send me an email with your process and some cap shots and I'll see if I can duplicate it with the DVD's I have.
I'll also send you the problem frames I'm seeing as well.
We re-did How Drugs using the Japanese Macross LD which involved doing some additional dialog with Pam and Kurt. That one is about as clean as it's going to get (famous last words). I never found plugins that could really handle some of the microphone noise being produced by being too close to the picture tube as the varying harmonics are a bit tough for a hum eliminator. I'm just in the process of getting the audio back onto my production box and can swap some samples with you.
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 1:40 PMI'll check exactly what release I have and email you when I get home.
I am talking about fixing film splices. There was no problem with the DVD itself. (I used DVD Decrypter, then DGindex and avisynth with Telecide/Decimate). I had no problems with interlaced frames. The film splices though, are obnoxious. I repeated the last frame / next frame where they matched and repaired the rest by hand in photoshop.
As for eliminating noise- if you haven't tried Adobe Soundbooth- do it. It allows you to capture a noise sample and then remove that noise from a selection. I used that to try to drop hum & tape hiss behind speech in a number of spots. Soundbooth also lets you remove specific sound frequencies using a visual display, enhance speech without affecting music or other sounds, and it's great at knocking out pops and clicks. I love it. -
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Tue, January 8, 2008 - 10:57 PMAlan, Jim, and Kurt, thank you so much for taking the time to preserve these fun artifacts of early anime fandom, and for paying so much attention to the nitty-gritty of remastering.
I used to enjoy the Pinesalad Productions videos at Summer Side, an O.C. anime club that Pam used to attend (perhaps along with other Pinesaladers -- not sure; Pam of course stood out due to being that rarest of creatures at an anime club at that time: an attractive female ;^>).
I too would love to get a good-quality copy of these on DVD or via download once the remastering is done and the con premiere has occurred. Kurt, are you still looking for the 2nd and 3rd Robotech dubs? I might have those (dubbed from Alec Orrock's copies). My VHS collection currently will require kind of a lot of work to access, but if you (or the other guys) are still looking, let me know and I'll do what's necessary to get at them.
BTW, I joined Tribe in the hopes that I could subscribe to this thread and thus be able to follow updates, but I don't see any way to do that -- only to subscribe to digests of all the anime tribe posts. Am I missing anything? (If not, I suppose I can probably rig up something with procmail filtering of digest emails.) -
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Thu, February 14, 2008 - 3:22 PMAlso looking for a DVD copy. Alan/Jim/Kurt - don't sell out at the con! ;) I haven't attended a con in years and years, but would still love this nostalgia on DVD. Drop me a line? joant@ieee.org. Cheers!
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Wed, February 6, 2008 - 6:53 PMYou know, when you posted this title “Debbie Duz Dishes” I thought this was a joke. I only ever heard “Debbie Does Dallas” I decided to look this up on the net and found out that “Debbie Duz Dishes” was done in 1986 which is about the time you guys did your parody.
“Debbie Does Dallas” (what Sherbert based its parody on) on the other hand predates “Duz Dishes” by eight years. Yet Pam, decided to hunt down Sherbert for naming our Dirty Pair “Dirty Pair Does Disneyland” which is based on the “Does Dallas” and not “Duz Dishes.” Not really complaining mind you, all’s fair when it comes to parodies. I just find it funny that both parody groups were doing a play on words from two different porno videos. BTW, I probably wouldn’t have bothered to look it up on the net if you hadn’t made a big deal about the word “Duz” in your title.
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Sun, November 25, 2007 - 6:57 PMSorry to jump in here, but I remember meeting you at a con back in the day (Nerd Alert: IIRC I was in a Yamato Black Tiger costume at the time). I really enjoyed the Roy Fokker episode you did.
I used to know someone who had it on a second generation VHS dub, but he's moved so often I'll be surprised if he still has it.
I'll ask him though.
If you do redub them, I'd surely love to see them again.
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Sat, January 10, 2009 - 11:38 AMHi All,
I spoke to Alan and he was going to send me some completed remastered episodes but the time frame was too short. Quite some time has passed and I haven't heard from Alan in several months.
I am determined to revive this to whatever extent I am able. The 2009 Anime Boston con seems like a good place. I went last year and it was mobbed with people. Enormous crowds. It's in May so I've got several months. someone emailed me the entire "So Glad You could Stop by for a sip of Sherry, slut!" audio as an mp3. I will use that to reassemble that episode from a ripped DVD.
A good friend and one of our voice actors, Ben S.(Terry the Terrible, Capt. Gloval, Julia 6000) is flying out to Boston to join me for a panel on how to create your own parody dub. The plans at the con aren't finalized yet but I think it may be the first public showing of this stuff in a very long time. Of course, Alan, Pam and the rest of the gang are not only welcome but encouraged to come out and join us for this, but given their interest level from email exchanges, and costs involved in getting out to Boston, it is unlikely that a full renuin will take place.
If anyone has completed remasters and can mail me a DVD or put them on an FTP server where I can download them, you'll save me a ton of work.
Thanks for keeping interested. One thing I noticed at Anime Boston was that things have changed a lot. I didn't recognize any of the costumes and fan stuff at all. The anime that was popular when we were dubbing isn't anywhere to be found. No Macross shirts or costumes, etc. It reminded me of just how much time has passed, and it seems like those things we thought were so cool at the time had no staying power at all. Miyazaki stuff was the only remnant I could find represented from that era. I felt a little old and out of place frankly. Still, I love the atmosphere, the attention to detail people put into costumes, and the whole experience. I think the fun of fans re-dubbing anime is universal and would apply as well to Naruto fans just as much as it did for Dirty Pair and Macross fans in our day. -
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Fri, March 20, 2009 - 10:51 PMWell if anyone's still interested, I just posted How Drugs Won the War - Remastered to You Tube. www.youtube.com/watch
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Fri, March 20, 2009 - 10:55 PMThere's still some editing I need to do because some of the dialog got mangled when I captured. I'm not sure if I can get it to play properly or not but if I can, I'll re-post soon. This took a lot longer than expected.
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Mon, March 23, 2009 - 6:41 PMAnother update: Apparently some greedy bastard at Starz LLC or You Tube, or both decided that this work of parody which has never been intended to make a single dollar, is depriving someone of cash. We even showed this to Carl Macek in L.A. and he didn't feel it was actionable then. It's like making two hours of fart jokes out of Sleeping Beauty or something. Who's being hurt?
Anyway, I'm just venting my frustration at the ridiculous subversion of fair use.
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Wed, April 15, 2009 - 7:45 PMOkay, I'll bite. I'm another longtime fan (from around 1990) and I'd like to know if there's any way I can get a good copy of the Pinesalad parodies on DVD, Divx, or any format other than a VHStape.... -
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Mon, May 18, 2009 - 9:59 PMMy first attempt to post the remastered How Drugs Won the War was banned in the US by Starz LLC. I've since learned the Manga Entertainment manages that license for Starz. They told me if I posted the episode in segments less than 4 min. long they'd let it fly. Two days in and it is still up so I'm pretty happy about this. It's not an ideal way to view the episode but it is there in its entirety for the first time ever.
www.youtube.com/watch
Hope that link stays live so this page doesn't become useless. Enjoy! Let me know what you think. I did a LOT of audio editing on this, including some new sound FX, stereo music tracks and more.
email or PM me and I can send you a DVD or upload an ISO image for you. Now I REALLY need to find the Dirty Pair OVA videos we used for our Dirty Pair stuff. I don't even know the names of the episodes. one is like universally known as the Terminator episode. The video on my copy sucks SO badly. I'd buy those if I could find them on LaserDisc or DVD.
Next weekend is my panel at Anime Boston about making your own fan dub. If you're in town, come catch me! -
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Re: The Venerable Pinesalad Productions
Tue, June 9, 2009 - 10:06 PM> Now I REALLY need to find the Dirty Pair OVA videos we used for our Dirty Pair stuff.
The full set of OVAs is available in a U.S. release from ADVfilms. See for example
www.amazon.com/Original-Dir...dp/B000BKSJHK or
www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/cat.../67924/4/0/0
...although some comments earlier in this thread suggested that the video conversion hasn't been done very well.
I used to have a VHS copy of several of the Dirty Pairodies which I did rip to MPEG before I recycled the VHS tape. The video copy is bad, the audio quality is better, however I'd still guess that my copy was 3rd gen or 4th gen at best. We showed these at Cornell Japanese Animation Society as part of one of our April Fools' Day showings back in the early 1990's.
For the TV shows, which aren't available in a U.S. release, in theory it should be possible to work through Yahoo auctions Japan (use a bidding proxy and remailer service as needed - this has worked for me in the past for manga) to pick up the needed TV episodes to remaster the full set. Let me know if you need an assist - I'm a Dirty Pair fan and it's worth restoring these for posterity, or history, or something, similar to how the Daicon IV animation has found a new life in remastered form on the net.
Bruce H.
hahne at io dot com
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